Moderator
Clark Collins
Jami
O'Brien, showrunner and executive producer
Joe
Hill producer
Zachary
Quinto
The
season begins eight years after season one and Vic is determined to destroy
Charlie. He sets his sights on a person who means the most - Wayne. Currently
on AMC and BBC.
First
season is relatively faithful to the book, second two?
Joe:
I think the second season is faithful to the book to the spirit of the book and
the characters. I do think that with I think every single episode the show has
become more itself. It has been more comfortable in its own skin and found its
own particular approach, style and tone. I think nothing shows that like the
intricately engineered fifth episode which is almost kind of a horror movie. I
love the second season and I think in some ways the second season it more
exciting and more emotional involving than the first. And it does do some
different things but all those keep in the spirit of the novel. I think it is
important that it’s not just that it has ideas, that it explores its own ideas
and that it takes a few unexpected turns because you don't want people who have
read the book to be too comfortable and know what is happening all the time.
I'm very happy with how the television show has expanded on and developed the
mythology and the underlying concepts of the book.
Manx
has become more terrifying and we learn his backstory.
Zachary:
I think that's one of the things that season two does is give much more
context, particular for Charlie. It flushes out the journey he's been on that
led him to this place. IN addition to the novel, Joe also wrote a graphic novel
called The Wraith which is more centered around the relationship with his car,
daughter and wife and that's something we incorporated into season two which
I'm grateful for. We go back into Charlie's life into his childhood to
understand some of the traumas and the abuses and abandonments he's struggled
with over the years. The accumulative weight which breaks him and paints him in
a more sympathetic light which is always good when you are playing such a
reprehensible and morally bankrupt character like Charlie Manx. You understand
that he didn't start out that way and he had some unfortunate circumstances
that befell him over the years that led him to this place. I did enjoy that
stuff. It was fun to immerse part of the
narrative into these different time periods and be able to explore some of
those other relationships and the long-term impacts that they have.
There
are new adults in season 2.
Joe:
In the first season we visited Parnassus which is a nightclub of nightmares.
It's a place where nightmares hang out together and swap horror stories over a
pint. That interests me. The world of Charlie and Vic have other people in it
and I was curious to get into that. We have a character called Hourglass who is
somewhat of a Charlie Manx fanboy and excited to do some business with him. So,
we brought him into the story and he added an interesting wrinkle to what was
there in the original novel.
Jami:
In addition to the Hourglass who is the new villain who joins Team Manx but
there is also Lou who met at the end of last season. We spend a lot more time
with him this season as a series regular on the show and I think a fantastic
character. He is a favorite from the book, he was one of my favorites from the
book and think Jonathan does such a beautiful job playing him. He is just a
good hearted, hardworking Dad and he loves Vic and loves Wayne. He doesn't have
a superpower, but Joe Hill told me once that his superpower is his humor and
his calm. I think you really see that come out in the first few episodes. I mean
in Episode 3 Charlie Manx almost gets Wayne and in the writer’s room the way we
talked about it was the only reason why he doesn't is because Lou is a good
Dad. Lou realizes something is going on and his action is what thwarts Manx
from stealing Wayne. That not a magical bridge, that's just him and the forces
of goodness within him.
He
seems at home with the supernatural.
Jamie:
Its tough because you can burn storytelling time. The audience so knows so
those conversations are tough. Last season there was a line in an episode where
Lou says to Vic after they have their encounter with Manx and they are in the
hospital where he says, 'listen, I read comic books, I know there is a lot of
stuff out there'. I think that is such a great way to sum up that character and
kind of move past the 'so what now? You have a what?'
Joe:
That's my favorite line from the first season.
The
relationship between Zachary and young star Mattea.
Zachary:
The kids on the show are pretty spectacular, they are so professional and
prepared and very funny. They are funny miniature adults. They have a
precociousness fostered by working in this environment. Jason and Mattea have
been at this for a while, they are old pros. It was cool, to have that
psychological component to the character and figure out how to communicate in a
way to make sure they are saved and protected. That is really important, so it
was a cool addition to work with those guys more in Season 2 than the first.
How
did you cast them?
Jami:
They auditioned, Mattea send in an audition and Jason did in season two. They
are both spectacular and you can see it on the show Zach was part of the
casting process with Jason. Mattea, I think the kid is a star. Jason, you can
see him becoming more and more comfortable as it went on and he ended up
directing scenes. There is a scene later in the season and I won't say with who
because I don't want to give anything away but it is with one of the adult
actors who had a question and Jason was like 'listen, you are mad at me because
of this and we are going over here…' and it was really charming.
Joe:
One of the things that I think is really interesting is that Vic has a lot of
unresolved feelings about her own mother and you can feel her discomfort and
her struggling to figure out 'how do I do this'. She is always questioning
herself, 'am I doing this well' and you know she feels awkward. She would
rather fight vampires than be a Mom. That she knows how to do, what the worse
that can happen? The worse that can happen is she dies! What I think is
interesting of course is the Charlie is totally confident around kids and kids
love him. How can they not, he is the President of fun.
Working
relationship with Ashleigh.
Zachary:
I just love her; she is so deeply committed to her relationship with her
character and everyone else on the show. She has got a really generous spirit
and she is really concerned with the wellbeing of others and she is so
enormously talented. You know this is her first big American television show
and I think this is a significant moment for her. So, it’s been really
interesting for me who has been at it for a while to witness that and find ways
that I can support that for her. It's been a real pleasure along the way and
the pleasure was enhanced midway through the season when she showed up on the
set with the absolutely cutest dog I have ever seen. She adopted a dog named
Elton and my dog Skunk and Elton would have play festivals in our trailer when
we were on set for long hours so that was really lovely as well. Ashleigh is
just great and it has been an absolute pleasure working with and getting to
know her. I'm also sorry she isn't with us today but she's pretty phenomenal.
Clutch
of female characters.
Jami:
You know they are all, with all of them we take our cues from the novel. The
reason why I wanted to adapt the book is because I fell in love with Vic
McQueen. I think that what is interesting about her and Ashleigh talks about
this a lot is that it's not a lot of necessarily a physical strength with Vic.
She doesn't work out all the time, she's not a strongman and lifts stuff all
the time but she has more courage than certainly than I do, almost more than
anyone. Again there is a part in the book where I was like 'I love this kid and
I'm in' was the first time she went to Sleigh House when she is after Charlie
Manx and she finds a stranger stuck in the back of The Wraith that she has
never met before and without thinking twice she just goes after this kid to try
and save him which is what gets her into trouble with Manx and why she ends up
caught in the laundry shoot which we dramatized in season one. I think that
that heart and that courage was the thing that I found so refreshing about the
character. Maggie as well, Maggie in the book is super smart, her strength is
her ability to solve puzzles. She is a librarian; she is in the know and I
would say her curiosity and her super powered brain are her strengths. You know
the same with Tabitha, in the novel Tabitha comes in kind of later than she
does in the book and she is a slightly different character, she is still I
think fundamentally an investigator. She is still a person that is fundamental
curious about the world who has an ingrained sense of justice and who cares
about the people she works with. Those are our three main adult characters and
again we just went with the book. Millie is not in the novel, actually she is
in the novel a little bit at the end, but she doesn't have as big a role in the
novel as she does in the series. She's also in The Wraith so we see some of her
backstory. In the series some of it was being fascinated by her and the source
material and kind of flush her out a little bit but also, she is a fantastic
actor. When we saw her in season one, we were like 'what else can we do with
her? Her scenes with Zach are so great'. So we decided to open her up as well
and that character, you know it’s funny because she is in Christmasland and her
soul is drained so where can you go with this character really so we thought
'maybe when Manx dies, that opens up a tiny little place inside Millie where
she has room to think beyond Christmasland for just a moment. When she does,
she takes advantage of it and of course in Episode 3 she meets the ghost of her
mother and that kind of keeps opening, and opening and opening. She is starting
to struggle with who she is and where she sits on the pole of with Mom and Dad.
She's been a Daddy's girl her whole life and I think she's starting to question
whether or not it was the best choice.
Joe:
In a way for me the second season is a way about growing up and about whether
or not you can even accept growing up. I was thinking earlier while Jami was
talking that in some weird way that season 2 is what would happen to Buffy the
Vampire Slayer if she didn't have to stay in high school for eight seasons.
What if she actually had to graduate and go on and be a young woman and what
would her life be like. Then I was thinking about Millie and I was thinking its
also about you can't stay a child forever. What does happen when you start to
move away from childhood.
Your
Henchman Darri who is always teasing and taunting.
Zachary:
Darri is one of my favorite people that I've worked with in a long time. I
absolutely love him and he's so talented and so incredibly nice and smart. I
really love him. On our Christmas break I actually had an amazing trip to
Iceland for twelve days and got to spend time with his family there. He was so welcoming,
and it was a magical place. It was incredible and I'm so grateful that the show
introduced me to Darri and I got to travel there and I can't wait to go back
when we are allowed to travel again. I think the dynamic between the characters
is rich and fun in season two, Manx is incredibly manipulative and he's used to
cycling through these rather either over ambitious or dimwitted and in some
cases both kinds of assistants or henchmen. Bing proves to be more than meets
the eye in season 2. At a certain point he gets mad as hell and he's not going
to take it anymore and we get to see the results of that which I think was
really fun and the coolest things from this season and what we got to do
together and how the narrative got flipped on its ear at a certain point along
the way. I felt really happy to have him in this world with us.
Was
there one plotline you were particularly happy about?
Zachary:
For me it was Episode 5 when we got the script written by Tom Brady, I remember
the sequence in the book and it was one of my favorites in the book so I was
curious as to how it would play out in the show. When I got the script, I
thought it was going to be a nightmare. The structure of it and the points of
view of it. There is a lot of it that keeps changing and shifting and I thought
that this was going to be impossible to shoot. How is this going to happen, but
I can tell you its going to be miserable. It was actually the most fun episode
of the season for me. I was watching it all come together and watching the
director calculating everything she needed to capture. It blew me away with everyone
working together. I don't think that there was any experience in the two
seasons that exemplified it more than this episode. It was all hands-on deck.
Joe:
It’s just a masterful piece of storytelling. Tom Brady wrote such a great
script and beautifully directed and it’s great when a show gets to have a
moment like that where you feel like you are seeing something you haven't seen
before.
Jami: It is an iconic moment in the book when Wayne
gets taken and I remember when I read it that 'oh Vic gets to spend some time
underwater here'. How are we going to do that? For season two when I was
talking to our production designer, I asked, 'can we even do this' and was told
yea we can do it. I wasn't on set when they shot the episode and when the
director's cut came in I watched in in awe. I read it in the book and I thought
we really have to honor this and when I read Tom Brady's script I thought how
the hell are they going to do this and then I kept waiting for the phone call
from Rhode Island what said 'Jami we can't do this scene so lets cut it' and
that phone call never came. I think they did a phenomenal job and I'm echoing
Zach that it's really a testament to our team and I'm really proud of it. I
also want to say I love the Manx backstory talking about the fun of the season.
Joe:
I have a favorite, but I can't talk about it because it would be spoilers.
There is something that happens in 9 and 10 that I've wanted to see since I
knew we were making a television show. I just remember and I want to add that
when I read episode 5 and saw that Ashleigh was going to be spending time in
the water, I remember talking to Jami and I said that's pretty cool that she's
in the water for half the episode. She said they would be shooting in Rhode
Island in late October and I said 'oh'.
Jami:
It was an indoor pool.
Joe:
There you go.
Getting
Tom Savini, prosthetic make up effect’s artist and actor.
Jamie:
Joe! That was a character Joe pitched and we wrote it into the script and Joe
said 'I love him, he's the best character in the script and I think Tom Seveni
should play him' and I said I said that would be great, do you want to ask Tom
Seveni if he'll do it. He did and - he did. So that was Joe Hill.
A
King-Hill family friend>
Joe:
I love Tom. So, when I was a kid I had a stint as a child actor and was the kid
in CREEPSHOW which was shot in 1982 which was a different era. They didn't have
the same kinds of rules about child labor on television and film sets. So, they
didn't have a babysitter or a nanny or anyone to watch me when I wasn't acting
and they asked Tom Seveni to look after me. So I spent a whole week in Tom
Seveni's trailer watching him artistically disfigure movie stars and create
amazing monsters. He was like my first rock star, he had this black leather
jacket and these Spock on Star Trek eyebrows and he wore motorcycle boots and I
don't think he knew how to talk to kids so he just talk to me like I was an
adult. On lunchbreak we would look at his great big book of autopsy photos and
I just loved him. I was so glad decades later we were able to renew our
friendship, he is a terrific filmmaker ad such a gifted comic actor and has
done bits and bobs in a Tarentino movie. He really is just exciting to watch on
the screen. He does a lot of hand acting and of course he is the master of
gross out of special effects from DAWN OF THE DEAD and FRIDAY THE THIRTEENTH,
he is one of my heroes so it was really great to pull him in.
Zachary:
Yes, it was good to have him, I think we were all excited. I know Joe Harlow
who is our makeup special affects leader was especially excited to have him.
It's always fun to watch that world, it’s such a close knit world and in so
many ways, people align themselves in so many ways from the leaders in the
field so I think Joe was inspired by Tom's work and with me being from
Pittsburgh I have a long history with Tom so I was really grateful to get to
meet him. He was only there for a day sadly so it wasn't a deep interaction but
the main feeling was that I wished we could have been able to hang out longer,
but it was great to have him there.
Jami:
Zach, was there anything in a script that you were shocked by and made you
think I can't believe they did this?
Zachary:
Episode 7 for me was something that I loved when I read it and the structure
and the present-day Manx story line as it relates to the flashback Manx
storyline. I wasn't shocked by it and the way we were able to shoot it was a
little bit like a movie. Jami, you had just come back from L.A. I really
enjoyed that part of the process and also what I got to do with Darri in that
episode, I wasn't shocked but grateful for the structure and challenge of it.
Jami:
I thought of it as a little play and an opportunity to watch you and Darri and
I'm excited for people to see it.
Where
is the prosthetic gross Zachary?
Joe:
Its on your front door.
Jami:
It's in Joe Harlow's warehouse for all I know.
Can
you tease?
Joe:
As bad as things seem they can always get worse.
Jami:
You’re going to see some unexpected action from Bing. He is great in the first
half of the season and you see him get a little more work to do in the second.
Zachary:
I feel like the Bing stuff is some of my favorite that we have to look forward
to. We are building to an ultimate showdown of sorts. I think we have been
playing a lot in the track to this moment. The last half of the season is going
to ramp up and drive us into the conflict between Vic and Charlie. I'm excited
to share it.
